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	<title>Comments on: New SEM Firm Rating Site: Tempting Fate?</title>
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		<title>By: Reputation Management Explosion in 3&#8230;2&#8230;1&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://www.ask-kalena.com/legal-stuff/new-sem-firm-rating-site-tempting-fate/comment-page-1/#comment-799</link>
		<dc:creator>Reputation Management Explosion in 3&#8230;2&#8230;1&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 20:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and is brought to us by the same people who launched the Search Marketing Standard magazine. As Kalena noted, they already have a few negative reviews for known companies in the SEO/SEM industry. Here are a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: debra mastaler</title>
		<link>http://www.ask-kalena.com/legal-stuff/new-sem-firm-rating-site-tempting-fate/comment-page-1/#comment-787</link>
		<dc:creator>debra mastaler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 01:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Boris - No, your reply to Nick was different, you said &quot;is definitely something that we plan on integrating&quot; 

It went from &quot;thinking about&quot; to &quot;definitely&quot; which is good to hear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Boris &#8211; No, your reply to Nick was different, you said &#8220;is definitely something that we plan on integrating&#8221; </p>
<p>It went from &#8220;thinking about&#8221; to &#8220;definitely&#8221; which is good to hear.</p>
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		<title>By: Is an SEM Ranking System a Bad Idea? &#124; Search Engine Studies</title>
		<link>http://www.ask-kalena.com/legal-stuff/new-sem-firm-rating-site-tempting-fate/comment-page-1/#comment-784</link>
		<dc:creator>Is an SEM Ranking System a Bad Idea? &#124; Search Engine Studies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 15:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jordan writes a blog about her concern over an SEM rating site called SEMCompare. She tells us that the Search Marketing Standard magazine has started this site [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Boris Mordkovich</title>
		<link>http://www.ask-kalena.com/legal-stuff/new-sem-firm-rating-site-tempting-fate/comment-page-1/#comment-783</link>
		<dc:creator>Boris Mordkovich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 04:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kalena,

No worries. I&#039;m actually quite grateful to the post because it cleared up some of the internal debates we were having and led to a number of changes that I think will be quite beneficial for all.

Sorry I didn&#039;t get a chance to respond to this post earlier. With all the discussions taking place and actual work that needs to be done, there are just not enough hours in the day - that&#039;s why I&#039;m posting at night now :)

Boris</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kalena,</p>
<p>No worries. I&#8217;m actually quite grateful to the post because it cleared up some of the internal debates we were having and led to a number of changes that I think will be quite beneficial for all.</p>
<p>Sorry I didn&#8217;t get a chance to respond to this post earlier. With all the discussions taking place and actual work that needs to be done, there are just not enough hours in the day &#8211; that&#8217;s why I&#8217;m posting at night now :)</p>
<p>Boris</p>
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		<title>By: Kalena Jordan</title>
		<link>http://www.ask-kalena.com/legal-stuff/new-sem-firm-rating-site-tempting-fate/comment-page-1/#comment-782</link>
		<dc:creator>Kalena Jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 04:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Boris - thanks for stopping by and keeping everyone up to date with developments. I&#039;m sorry if my post has resulted in negativity, but I&#039;m also pleased to hear you have already taken the good and bad feedback on board re future site directions. Good for you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Boris &#8211; thanks for stopping by and keeping everyone up to date with developments. I&#8217;m sorry if my post has resulted in negativity, but I&#8217;m also pleased to hear you have already taken the good and bad feedback on board re future site directions. Good for you!</p>
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		<title>By: Boris Mordkovich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boris Mordkovich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 03:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi everyone,

Thank you for your feedback!

@Debra - just to clarify... the first thing I mentioned in my email to you was the fact that we&#039;re considering adding in the near future the ability for SEM firms to respond to the reviews and present their side of the story. Isn&#039;t that what I wrote to Nick, as well?

There were a few other things that I mentioned in the email, but our stance of this functionality did not change.

I just submitted a response on Sphinn regarding this feature (and a few others). Since it&#039;s getting a bit late, I&#039;ll just include a link here. If you have any more questions or concerns, I would be more than happy to address them:

http://sphinn.com/story/37550#c37835

Best!
Boris</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi everyone,</p>
<p>Thank you for your feedback!</p>
<p>@Debra &#8211; just to clarify&#8230; the first thing I mentioned in my email to you was the fact that we&#8217;re considering adding in the near future the ability for SEM firms to respond to the reviews and present their side of the story. Isn&#8217;t that what I wrote to Nick, as well?</p>
<p>There were a few other things that I mentioned in the email, but our stance of this functionality did not change.</p>
<p>I just submitted a response on Sphinn regarding this feature (and a few others). Since it&#8217;s getting a bit late, I&#8217;ll just include a link here. If you have any more questions or concerns, I would be more than happy to address them:</p>
<p><a href="http://sphinn.com/story/37550#c37835" rel="nofollow">http://sphinn.com/story/37550#c37835</a></p>
<p>Best!<br />
Boris</p>
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		<title>By: Kalena Jordan</title>
		<link>http://www.ask-kalena.com/legal-stuff/new-sem-firm-rating-site-tempting-fate/comment-page-1/#comment-780</link>
		<dc:creator>Kalena Jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 19:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Tom - Re the SEM benchmarking site - What a FAB idea! I really think you&#039;re onto something. There&#039;s a real need in this industry for a central repository of case studies, performance testing, algorithm experiments and achievable ROI benchmarks for PPC, SEO and other services. Kind of like Marketing Experiments, but tailored to the search industry. Care to build it? I can guarantee you endorsement from Search Engine College and a visit from every student!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Tom &#8211; Re the SEM benchmarking site &#8211; What a FAB idea! I really think you&#8217;re onto something. There&#8217;s a real need in this industry for a central repository of case studies, performance testing, algorithm experiments and achievable ROI benchmarks for PPC, SEO and other services. Kind of like Marketing Experiments, but tailored to the search industry. Care to build it? I can guarantee you endorsement from Search Engine College and a visit from every student!</p>
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		<title>By: Kalena Jordan</title>
		<link>http://www.ask-kalena.com/legal-stuff/new-sem-firm-rating-site-tempting-fate/comment-page-1/#comment-779</link>
		<dc:creator>Kalena Jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 19:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Malte - yes, that is my biggest concern. Good intentions are one thing but the ability to control those gaming the system is quite another.

@ Debra - hmmm, interesting that you had a different response from Boris. Maybe the vendor commenting is something they have only just come around to? But even if they do integrate vendor feedback, it just becomes a &quot;he said, she said&quot; issue and flaming is likely to ensue. Re clients with a grudge - I had the same thoughts. We too have had payment deadbeats (love that term!) break our contract and then bad mouth us for ceasing the contracted services. UGH</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Malte &#8211; yes, that is my biggest concern. Good intentions are one thing but the ability to control those gaming the system is quite another.</p>
<p>@ Debra &#8211; hmmm, interesting that you had a different response from Boris. Maybe the vendor commenting is something they have only just come around to? But even if they do integrate vendor feedback, it just becomes a &#8220;he said, she said&#8221; issue and flaming is likely to ensue. Re clients with a grudge &#8211; I had the same thoughts. We too have had payment deadbeats (love that term!) break our contract and then bad mouth us for ceasing the contracted services. UGH</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Pick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Pick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kalena - I completely agree, this sounds like trouble. For starters, it&#039;s simply human nature that people are far more likely to remember -- and write about -- negative experiences than positive ones.

What would be really useful, to both agencies and their clients, is some sort of SEM benchmarking service. I&#039;m not sure how granular this could get, but let&#039;s say I have a client offering a high value / high price strategic enterprise service; not the best fit for a search campaign, but they&#039;d like to try it. What sort of results (click-throughs and conversions) should they expect? What level of results should I expect to achieve for them?

Or this: a client is considering different types of incentive for response, perhaps a white paper, free trial and webinar registration. A webinar registration form is likely to convert at a lower rate than a white paper download, but how much lower?

That type of data would be far more helpful to both buyers and providers in the SEM space than a review site that is unlikely to provide anyone with truly useful information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kalena &#8211; I completely agree, this sounds like trouble. For starters, it&#8217;s simply human nature that people are far more likely to remember &#8212; and write about &#8212; negative experiences than positive ones.</p>
<p>What would be really useful, to both agencies and their clients, is some sort of SEM benchmarking service. I&#8217;m not sure how granular this could get, but let&#8217;s say I have a client offering a high value / high price strategic enterprise service; not the best fit for a search campaign, but they&#8217;d like to try it. What sort of results (click-throughs and conversions) should they expect? What level of results should I expect to achieve for them?</p>
<p>Or this: a client is considering different types of incentive for response, perhaps a white paper, free trial and webinar registration. A webinar registration form is likely to convert at a lower rate than a white paper download, but how much lower?</p>
<p>That type of data would be far more helpful to both buyers and providers in the SEM space than a review site that is unlikely to provide anyone with truly useful information.</p>
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		<title>By: debra mastaler</title>
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		<dc:creator>debra mastaler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Over on Sphinn (http://sphinn.com/story/37550) where your article is posted, Nick Wilsdon said: &quot;Also, please give plenty of thought to allowing companies to reply to critics. Preferably at a comment by comment level.&quot;

And Boris from SEM responded with: &quot;@NickWilson - providing the companies with an ability to respond to comments is definitely something that we plan on integrating in the near future. It&#039;s been on our agenda since the beginning, but it will just take a bit of time to get that developed.&quot;

I got the same email you did and responded with the exact same concern that NickW said above.
But...my response from Boris was quite different so I&#039;m glad to see they&#039;ve taken the issue of SEO&#039;s being able to respond to negative comments into consideration and plan to implement it.

Unhappy clients become unhappy for a lot of reasons and not always because they were &quot;wronged&quot;.  There&#039;s two sides to all stories and more times than not issues we have with clients are a result of things they&#039;ve not done.  I&#039;ve even had one bounce checks and become irate when we stop services.  Now I ask - if he left a comment do you really think he&#039;s going to tell people we stopped working on his site because he&#039;s a payment deadbeat? 

Last point - while I&#039;m sure the people at SEM will do what they can to monitor email addresses, that&#039;s all done electronically.  Meaning - they can&#039;t read and review every single comment that comes in so there are going to be comments that make it by their review system.

They&#039;ll be posted and then what?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over on Sphinn (<a href="http://sphinn.com/story/37550" rel="nofollow">http://sphinn.com/story/37550</a>) where your article is posted, Nick Wilsdon said: &#8220;Also, please give plenty of thought to allowing companies to reply to critics. Preferably at a comment by comment level.&#8221;</p>
<p>And Boris from SEM responded with: &#8220;@NickWilson &#8211; providing the companies with an ability to respond to comments is definitely something that we plan on integrating in the near future. It&#8217;s been on our agenda since the beginning, but it will just take a bit of time to get that developed.&#8221;</p>
<p>I got the same email you did and responded with the exact same concern that NickW said above.<br />
But&#8230;my response from Boris was quite different so I&#8217;m glad to see they&#8217;ve taken the issue of SEO&#8217;s being able to respond to negative comments into consideration and plan to implement it.</p>
<p>Unhappy clients become unhappy for a lot of reasons and not always because they were &#8220;wronged&#8221;.  There&#8217;s two sides to all stories and more times than not issues we have with clients are a result of things they&#8217;ve not done.  I&#8217;ve even had one bounce checks and become irate when we stop services.  Now I ask &#8211; if he left a comment do you really think he&#8217;s going to tell people we stopped working on his site because he&#8217;s a payment deadbeat? </p>
<p>Last point &#8211; while I&#8217;m sure the people at SEM will do what they can to monitor email addresses, that&#8217;s all done electronically.  Meaning &#8211; they can&#8217;t read and review every single comment that comes in so there are going to be comments that make it by their review system.</p>
<p>They&#8217;ll be posted and then what?</p>
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